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Post by aburabusimbutu on Apr 10, 2007 11:41:27 GMT -5
Hang on! I would like to respectfully debate Cas’ belief that a defined common vision of the future would be necessary to make the Batman 3039 idea work. I understand what you are saying, and I agree that if everyone created a different vision of the distant future for the world of Batman that the "futuristic looks" that result will vary to the point of being “Elseworlds” like. I guess I just don't see anything wrong with that. Each would still serve the theme and be notably unique in its portrayal as a character with a futuristic design. Heck, I'd actually enjoy the variety of futuristic visions and personally would find an imposed vision a little stifling. On the other hand, the wider net of "Weird Science" would allow for that to some extent- but would still create the potential for the "Elseworld" results- and it would as well as include mad scientists and transformaed beasts and whatever. I can go with any of these ideas but I must say the slightly more focused "vision of the future" concept has more appeal to me. Another thought- perhaps a wider scope that may mirror the "Weird Science" idea and allow for much of what is being discussed to occur is to shift the focus to "Batman as Science Fiction".
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Post by Figuremaster Les on Apr 10, 2007 14:41:03 GMT -5
OK, my two.... I like the really wacky future Batman idea. But with a decidedly, as you guys say, "Weird Science" approach. Within that idea, anyone is free to interpret Batman, or some other related future character, as they see fit. I cannot see how this can be all that intimidating if there are no real rules here. Not really. How can there be? I mean, Batman 3039? Holy crap! NO LIMITS! The sky is the limit! It might get VERY weird, or very recognisable, or even downright ODD. Or not... Who cares! It's the ultimate free direction. The guidlines are the future date idea. Within that, it's as open as one's imagination. That idea is the only one that really stokes me. The others are cool, I'd love to fill out my collections, God knows my 1939 set can take a couple more, but I do think there is more "CHALLENGE" in FB's idea than in any other. It has my vote right now. If it goes that way that is! ;D And that is my two cents! (And it would fit my collection perfectly...I have a lot of eras of Batman figures now...this would be the most far reaching concept...ever....!)
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Post by casimir on Apr 10, 2007 20:18:45 GMT -5
Gentlemen, you know how much I respect your opinions. So please don't take offense at my arguments below. I love this "event" of ours! I really do. But I know it's only fun if a good many of us participate. We've had three events, and attendance seems to go down each time. Thus my goal of making a theme as wide open as possible, so as to attract as many participants. Consider this: I suspect most of us want to participate, but due to limited time and resources will only do so if the possible entry coincides with our usual modus operandi. For example... Me. I loves me some animated stuff! And some 6" stuff. But I've also made hundreds of customs, and I don't care to repeat myself. I make what I make because I want to. If a theme is so narrow I can't make my usual motifs fit, I'm not as likely to enter. I have vitually no interest in designing my own FutureBats, at least at this point in time. But, with a wider theme, like Weird Science or Tech of some kind, I could make something fit, and Les and Andy can still make outstanding FutureBats. Everybody wins. Otherwise, I'm not likely to partake. Attendance goes down. I know I'm not the only one this applies to. I'm guessing there are some Mego-based fellas that could do with a little more wriggle room in a theme descriptions as well. That being said, I will of course support the group vote. I should say, however, that given the "custom" I expect to show up at my house mid-summer, my customizng time will be heavily curtailed for awhile. That is all. C.
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Post by radioscooter on Apr 10, 2007 21:13:32 GMT -5
Well someday I'd actually like to be able to take part in this little challenge that I had some hand in starting...
I rarely chime in anymore having been chastized more than once for lack of participation - but let me see -
While I agree and have championed the 'challenge' and 'stretching yourself' aspects of this in the past, I also agree completely with Cas that you have to LIKE the subject matter to really try to find time for it - at least somewhat.
That being said - and factoring in my lack of participation thus far - I would try harder to NOT miss trying for the beasts version than the future version. I have a complete lack of interest in Batman of the future, 3039, robobatman, beyond...whatever.
Here's a slight tweaking that will probably appeal to Kevin and bridge the FB and Cas gap maybe - What about - the Many Costumes/Gadgets Of Batman? We all loved it when they did that in the atomic age comics - what if we did Batman wearing or using some environment-specific gadgetry/outfit/apparatus that allows him to deal with some specific situation? That could include space or the future, past, camo, anti-predator or the jungle or underwater...almost anything that would need a suit/gadget variation.
Just an idea.
-s
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Post by casimir on Apr 10, 2007 22:00:42 GMT -5
Scooter speaks! ;D
I have to say, the Many Costumes/Gadgets Of Batman appeals to me, but I could argue that that's almost character specific, less theme specific. Actually, I could argue that one both ways. That's tough. I'd really like this if it extends to Batmobiles and Batcave schtuff.
So.... "Beastiary," "Weird Science," "Future Batman," and "The Many Costumes/Gadgets Of Batman." So far...
C.
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Post by aburabusimbutu on Apr 10, 2007 22:31:43 GMT -5
Cas- No offense taken to what you've said- I'm glad you speak your mind and you make a lot of valid points. I understand your feelings expressed about having these challenges remain relevant to our own needs while still fitting into the project. I certainly have had some feelings about that in past proposals and it is more fun when there is something everyone can feel enthused about.
I think all of the ideas that have floated to the surface have a common thread so it's really more a matter of helping to define it so that it is broad enough to give everyone buy-in while remaining focused enough so that the theme is apparent in all of the entries.
Scot- Not another word from you about any past inappropriate "chastizing" you got (and shouldn't have)- your contributions are ALWAYS welcome here and we wouldn't even be having this discussion if not for you. So let's just look to the future that is filled with scootery-goodness! I have to admit that the idea of Batman's many costumes/gadgets has enormous appeal to me and it's not something I would have thought of. When Kenner first released their Batman figures with the Arctic Armor and such specialized Bat-gear I have to admit I thought it was pretty neat, although this soon gave way to alot of stupid ideas and an excuse for repaints. The challenge of coming up with fun and appropriate specialty costumes or gear I think is pretty cool. I also believe the idea could indeed incorporate the Batmobile and any of Batman's technology. On a broader scale, it might be suitable to open the definition a bit wider and include gadgety villains and allies.
Overall, a general theme that would fit the bill for everything discussed so far might be "The Science of Batman"?
I'm also anxious to get some further input from the Big Kahuna Will, who started this thread- and look forward to hearing from the rest out there as well...
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Post by batlaw on Apr 10, 2007 22:40:16 GMT -5
Gentlemen, you know how much I respect your opinions. So please don't take offense at my arguments below. I love this "event" of ours! I really do. But I know it's only fun if a good many of us participate. We've had three events, and attendance seems to go down each time. Thus my goal of making a theme as wide open as possible, so as to attract as many participants. Consider this: I suspect most of us want to participate, but due to limited time and resources will only do so if the possible entry coincides with our usual modus operandi. For example... Me. I loves me some animated stuff! And some 6" stuff. But I've also made hundreds of customs, and I don't care to repeat myself. I make what I make because I want to. If a theme is so narrow I can't make my usual motifs fit, I'm not as likely to enter. I have vitually no interest in designing my own FutureBats, at least at this point in time. But, with a wider theme, like Weird Science or Tech of some kind, I could make something fit, and Les and Andy can still make outstanding FutureBats. Everybody wins. Otherwise, I'm not likely to partake. Attendance goes down. I know I'm not the only one this applies to. I'm guessing there are some Mego-based fellas that could do with a little more wriggle room in a theme descriptions as well. That being said, I will of course support the group vote. I should say, however, that given the "custom" I expect to show up at my house mid-summer, my customizng time will be heavily curtailed for awhile. That is all. C. My sentiments exactly. This was my stance (for better or worse) last time round. Hence why I didnt participate in the Catwoman event. Nothing bad to say nor am I trying to be a wet blanket Etc. its just the real world / life time and resource limitations we all face take precedent. As Cas will soon discover , I have so little opportunity nowadays to do anything let alone customize. Should I have one chance to do one project, I'm not going to "burn" that opportunity working on something my heart really isnt into or inspired by. I wish the spirit of participation alone were enough, but realistically it cant compete with other demands and desires. So I agree that the broader the project boundaries the greater the likelihood I and surely others would be inclined to participate. ;D
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Post by Wild Willy on Apr 11, 2007 15:35:04 GMT -5
I'm also anxious to get some further input from the Big Kahuna Will, who started this thread- Thanks Kevin, but fear not! I have been following this thread and I like the direction it's taking. I could easily sway towards the Beasti...whatchamacallit or the Weird Science route so I'll stand by idle while things get fined tuned. Ps, Scooter! I second Kevin's comments and your involvement is greatly appreciated whether great or small. Will
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Post by casimir on Apr 11, 2007 18:42:34 GMT -5
By the way, it occured to me that some of my comments might be interpreted as "If Cason doesn't get his way, then he'll take his toys and go home!" Not true! Not true! I was just using me as an example of how a theme that won't fit into my usual goals and time limit isn't likely to garner my participation, purely on a logistical level. And I suspect I'm not the only one. (Thus my pushing for a wider net of a theme. More can play!) I didn't mean to come across as fussy and rude! It was merely an example.
Carry on.
C.
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Post by Wild Willy on Apr 11, 2007 23:31:12 GMT -5
No offence taken Cas-man! All your point of views have great merrit. Will
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Post by aburabusimbutu on Apr 11, 2007 23:53:56 GMT -5
By the way, it occured to me that some of my comments might be interpreted as "If Cason doesn't get his way, then he'll take his toys and go home!" Not true! Not true! I was just using me as an example of how a theme that won't fit into my usual goals and time limit isn't likely to garner my participation, purely on a logistical level. And I suspect I'm not the only one. (Thus my pushing for a wider net of a theme. More can play!) I didn't mean to come across as fussy and rude! It was merely an example. Carry on. C. You worry too much! Your experience with running CustomCon and your evident care for our site and this event are clear in what you have to say- your input has been really valuable!
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Post by Figuremaster Les on Apr 12, 2007 17:43:55 GMT -5
Well, ok... I know I gave my two cents for a future Batman...and that is still my fave of all suggestions so far...
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I will support this wherever it goes. Know that. As long as the category is one that appeals to the most of us! I'm in! Same as always! And truth is, I don't care what it is. You guys solve this one. I will support it. I'm game. ;D
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Post by BlackKnight on Apr 12, 2007 21:10:36 GMT -5
I know I did not enter in the Cat Woman Challenge, However.. it did not appeal to me, either does same character challenges either,.. with Batman Characters.. I think a character like Freeze was an exception.. However with the Theme characters it's more my speed, & I have not heard anything I think is very interesting.. other than the "weird science" topic, but when its only limited to Batman,.. it doesn't sound very cool either... IMO I dunno,.. My only suggestion at this time, would BE an "ELSE WORLDS" theme.. Could existing or thought up. Thats all I got for now.
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Post by casimir on Apr 12, 2007 22:03:06 GMT -5
other than the "weird science" topic, but when its only limited to Batman,.. it doesn't sound very cool either... IMO My thoughts about "Weird Science' don't limit it to just Batman. Could be wacky villains. Could be Batgadetry. Could be Elseworlds. Lots of room to move by that definition. C.
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