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Post by martingb on Aug 9, 2005 5:06:15 GMT -5
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Post by Wild Willy on Aug 9, 2005 7:44:22 GMT -5
That is a great looking B&R set for sure. I know I've seen that Batman before but never that Robin. I got a Canadian Quarter that says Scot can tell us a thing or 2 about the Batman and it's origin.  Will |
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Post by Figuremaster Les on Aug 9, 2005 9:04:34 GMT -5
Beautiful set!
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Post by radioscooter on Aug 9, 2005 9:36:31 GMT -5
These 2 kits were sculpted by Jim Paggett. They were originally sold by amoktime.com and are referred to as the "Koma" kits. I have a friend who is selling just the Batman finished for $300 if anyone is interested. It's a great kit. Jim did the Robin a year or so later to be the companion piece. The Adam captures the likeness much better, IMO. If anyone is looking to get either of these as unbuilt kits - I'd try amoktime.com asking for the Koma west and ward kits. If they can't help - email me privately and I'll find someone who is selling them for you.
By the way - the Adam head was recast many times by many people and sold off as 1:6 doll heads. That's the source of the ones I sent to Les and Marty. I stopped using them on my 'for sale' dolls when I found out that Jim had NOT cast them off for separate sale as I had originally been told. So I gave away my remaining stock of them. I never bothered getting a casting of the Burt head because I don't like it much. The IDC Burt head is much better and the same scale.
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Post by Figuremaster Les on Aug 9, 2005 9:44:10 GMT -5
Hmmmm....
Very interesting.
Scot, I bet you could draw up a "family tree" of almost every sculpted head out there and the followup lineage of each to so many "final" resting places.
But nice to know this Batman's history. I wish I could afford one...
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Post by Figuremaster Les on Aug 9, 2005 13:09:39 GMT -5
Now this is educational.
I see alot of what you mean. BTW, you flipped this out quick!
Anyway, I see the likenesses immediately in the Paget, Zaroya and Scoop. A bit less so in the Flintstone and the McCue but that could be the pics and any changes made.
But, I do see your point.
I wish you would start a thread with this kind of info in it. For one it would inform all of us as to clearly who did what, serving several important functions, and be darned interesting to boot. Might take more time that you have, but a one place source to see this kind of head info would be super. I can't recall seeing one anywhere else on the net.
Thanks for your trouble. I had no idea you could do this so fast.
BTW, I am indeed using the head you sent me for my West figure. I guess I will need to mention the sculptor's name when I do end up posting it. I'll try to do that all the time from here on out. I hope my extensive variations of that Mattox Reeve head warrant me an "original" claim on it now. I assume so. And that draws up another question, how far does an alteration have to go before it does indeed change the "creator's" claim, so to speak?
Anyway, great info Scot. Thanks.
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Post by radioscooter on Aug 9, 2005 16:38:54 GMT -5
Well my take is that if you started with anything sculpted by anyone else - that person's work is under there somewhere and should always get a credit. If you aren't starting with a lump of clay - then you didn't make it. You co-made it. That is just my OPINION.
-S
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Post by martingb on Aug 9, 2005 16:51:53 GMT -5
Yeah! All the way a fascinating and eye opening couple of posts Scooter. Thanks fella. You are an absolute encyclopedia on this stuff and we are all the better for having you around. I knew that all this recasting and stuff went on but you know the exact lineage of almost everything we speak of here. Thanks for filling us in on all of this very important info. Nicely presented too mate! Good stuff.
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Post by Wild Willy on Aug 9, 2005 17:06:22 GMT -5
If I may toot Scoot's horn a little, Some of the characteristics which originally drawn me to Scot. First of all his vast knowledge of whats been dished out around the net and above all his honesty & integrity.  Will |
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Post by thetoyroom on Aug 9, 2005 17:41:48 GMT -5
Wow! Being new to this end of the custom world, having dabbled mostly in Megos, I didn't realize this went on ("head stealing"?) that often. I've spotted it somewhat in the Captain Action world but this was definitely an interesting lesson. Thanks Professor Scoot!
Very informative!
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Post by BlackKnight on Aug 9, 2005 18:19:44 GMT -5
Dang Scooter, Very imformative. Your knowlege of who's is who's is very entertaining. I had no idea. It would be very cool if you would continue this lesson, I'm very impressed & find myself drawn in.  |
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Post by Figuremaster Les on Aug 9, 2005 18:20:16 GMT -5
I got ya Scot. Lesson learned. I did build upon Mattox's start. Thanks for that. I just hope my developments move the likeness in an even more accurate direction. That's no slam on Mattox. Ironic that it's the same head you got from me in that weird delivery that time.
And again, thanks for the trouble you went through to get all that up for us. I still hope you can make a chart like that of some more heads. I can see many of them online at certain Ebay sellers locations and all. I just have no idea where so many of them come from.
I for one am starting some from scratch now. No more redos or copycats for me. I want my own line.
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Post by faithfulbutler on Aug 9, 2005 19:29:22 GMT -5
You impress the hell out of me Scot,i'm flat out remembering my own name somedays lol.
You definitely are a font of knowledge and a definite boon for all of us here!
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